I pay a lot of annual fees each year. I’ve written a post on it a few years ago, so won’t repeat myself. For the most part, the same principles still apply. The fee better come with a valuable perk, or else it goes on a chopping block. That’s why I mostly keep cards that come with either renewal points or “free” hotel night. Btw, I did cancel my Southwest card shortly after writing that post.
In theory, they are all worth it. Still, our annual fees add up to a small fortune, so I’m reluctant to add any new “keepers” into the mix. After all, I’m in this hobby for free or rather deeply discounted travel. The goal is to utilize what we have for my existing travel plans and not add extra trips just to use up certificates or points.
Why I recently cancelled my Chase Sapphire Preferred
This was a tough call because I happen to love Chase Ultimate Rewards. To me, despite some drawbacks, it’s still the king of all flexible points. It’s a simple and straightforward currency, since you can get 1.25 cents per point toward paid travel (1.5 cents via Chase Sapphire Reserve). Having Hyatt, Southwest and United as transfer partners is what sets Ultimate Rewards apart.
However, I just don’t want to pay $95 each year for the privilege of possibly needing to transfer my points. Sure, Chase has sweetened the deal by adding a $50 credit towards hotels reserved via Ultimate Rewards portal. If I had a solid plan to book revenue travel in a near future, maybe I could justify hanging on to the card. But I don’t, and $50 doesn’t go very far these days.
There is a DoorDash “free delivery” benefit, which can be useful. But we live in the middle of nowhere, so I only use it maybe a few times per year on vacations. Plus, often, UberEats has coupons that offer better value.
So, I’ve decided to get rid of my CSP. I had 60k Ultimate Rewards points left, and transferred them to my Freedom Flex card. I figured I can always convert it back if I urgently need to top off an account for a specific award. Hence, the points would be safely stored, waiting for an opportune time. So, I sent a secure message in my Chase profile, and the matter was taken care of the next day without a need for a phone call.
However, a few days later I started having second thoughts. Not about cancellation, but not transferring the points to a travel partner first. I happen to like Hyatt, a lot. More specifically, my kids like Hyatt, and the program has decent award rates on suites at local Florida resorts.
I’m almost certain we can use Hyatt points within a year or two. On the other hand, I think we have enough miles for at least a few years’ worth of vacations. And my goal is to use them up if at all possible. I’ve said before that I don’t like waste. Having miles that sit in your account for many years just feels counterproductive to me. We are constantly earning new points, and I like to see my efforts being rewarded. This hobby takes time, energy and even money. I happen to enjoy it, but I don’t like working for free.
Hyatt points never go to waste in my household, as I plan several local resort getaways with kids each year. That’s why I wanted to see if I could still transfer the UR points to Hyatt despite the cancellation of CSP. It worked! First, I tried transferring 1,000 points just to see if it goes through. After that, I transferred the remaining 59k points. I believe you have 30 days to transfer your points, though I recommend you find them a “home” first before you cancel your card.
This amount will pay for two nights in a suite at Hyatt Regency Coconut Point Resort and Spa. This same suite goes for $1k per night, or you can use 29k Hyatt points instead. My kids love this place, so I like to take them there for a weekend at least once a year. It’s not cheap, but I view it as a special treat for our family. Points are to be enjoyed, right?
And now I won’t have to worry about Hyatt severing ties with Chase unexpectedly or transfer ratio being slashed. Plus, it will encourage me to use my existing stash of miles for flights. I still plan to maximize bonus categories on my Chase Freedom Flex and accumulate points passively for a few years. At some point, I will likely convert the card to CSP temporarily when the moment is right.
Why I probably won’t renew Best Western Premium credit card
Last week I wrote a post about getting approved for Best Western credit card offer that will hopefully net me 130k points (when factoring in minimum spend+renewal points). I’ve also said that it’s unlikely that I will renew it a second time and pay another $89 annual fee.
One of the readers made this comment: “I’m not sure I follow your logic regarding not keeping the card and doing the $5,000 spend every year due to the opportunity cost. The way I calculate it, for spending exactly $5,000 during the cardmember year, you would earn 10,000 points from spend plus 40,000 points per dollar spent, or 50,000 points for $5,000 spend, or 10x points per dollar.
And using the cost per point for this year’s Daily Getaways, that is 5.5% equivalent earn – pretty good for non-bonused spend. And if you account for the annual fee, that is the equivalent of a 3.7% back everywhere no-annual fee card (for the first $5,000 spend). Unless I’m missing something?”
And here is my response: “You make good points, and this topic probably deserves a separate post. I should have said that it likely makes no sense for someone like me to spend $5k each year in order to collect this bonus. You see, we are a middle-class family and put maybe $30k on credit cards each year. Most of it goes towards sign-up bonuses, and the rest on various spending offers on Hyatt card and 5x categories on Chase Freedom Flex. I’ve even been occasionally resorting to Plastiq.
So for me, to allocate $5k of my annual spend towards Best Western card is a serious commitment. I’m willing to do it for 120k points, but 40k is a different story. You are right that the return on spending is substantial, but you have to be sure that you will maximize the points in the future. This is another problem, as Best Western is known for devaluing without notice. It is YMMV kind of deal, but I’m not convinced the juice is worth the squeeze.”
In general, when it comes to hotel points, I plan for the worst-case scenario. If my international plans fall through, can I use the points for a local getaway that doesn’t require airfare? There are a few Best Western beachfront properties in Florida that look interesting. However, they run between 50k-80k points per night. So, if I put $5K on my Best Western card, I will only have enough points for one night. It’s just not worth it. Of course, I’m assuming having zero points at the time. Either way, this deal just doesn’t look tempting enough to me. And besides, I already have hotel certificates that need to be used up each year.
Capital One Venture X card: an outlier
Normally, I don’t renew cards that carry an annual fee of $395. That’s a lot of money. However, in this case, I plan to make an exception. First of all, I will get 10k points that can be used for $100 off travel purchases or transferred to miles on 1:1 basis.
On top of it, I can get $300 credit on travel booked through Capital One Travel portal. This year I used it for some flights we needed to purchase anyway. So, to me, just these two renewal benefits pretty much make up for the annual fee.
However, I’ve recently used most of my points towards Virgin Atlantic transfer and to cover a travel purchase. Is it still worth it to hang on to the card just to break even? For me the answer is Yes, and there are two reasons for that. First one is Priority Pass membership for primary owner, as well as authorized users.
That covers my family of four, plus in-laws. On top of it, I even added my mom and sister who live in Belarus. While they don’t fly often, this year they ate for free on three separate occasions in Istanbul and Minsk airports. I estimate they saved at least $150 for five people. We used lounge access twice, and probably saved around $60 in food costs. Priority Pass isn’t essential, but since we plan to take at least one international trip each year for the foreseeable future, I like to have it just in case. The fact that it’s essentially free via Venture X is the icing on the cake.
The second reason I plan to hang on to the card is because it earns 2 points per dollar. My husband hates switching credit cards, so I gave him Capital One Venture X for everyday spending. Before this, he had Chase Freedom Unlimited that earns 1.5 UR points on all purchases. I love UR currency, but I’ll take 2 transferrable Capital One points over 1.5 non-transferrable UR points any day.
If the value proposition on this card changes, it will go on the chopping block.
Final thoughts
My reasoning isn’t meant as an advice to readers, since personal circumstances vary. Some absolutely insist on having access to transferrable Ultimate Rewards points at all times. I can certainly understand the feeling. Plus, in the grand scheme of things, an extra $95 won’t make that much of a difference. But I am already paying renewal fees on seven cards, so something’s gotta give. And fortunately, Chase leaves the door partially open via no-fee cards like Freedom Flex.
Author: Leana
Leana is the founder of Miles For Family. She enjoys beach vacations and visiting her family in Europe. Originally from Belarus, Leana resides in central Florida with her husband and two children.
Rachel says
I’m curious what cards you decided to keep!
Leana says
@Rachel I still renew the same set of cards mentioned in my linked post https://milesforfamily.com/2018/06/19/im-happy-to-pay-annual-fees-on-these-cards-and-one-i-would-never-renew/
It’s Hyatt card x 2($95 fee), old version of IHG card x 2($49 fee), old version of Wyndham cards X2 (15k points for $69 fee). And I plan to add Venture X into the mix. So, 7 cards total as of now.
Pam says
We earned a decent CSP .10 anniv point boost on dining. Enough that when combined with the $50 hotel credit (perfect for a $100 “I just need a bed for the night at an airport” room) the card had already pd for itself! Am like you, don’t want to lose that Hyatt transfer option can’t get with any other non-Chase card.
Leana says
@Pam The math on CSP can certainly work, and your situation is the perfect example on it. We don’t fly often, and the one overnight where I could maybe use the hotel credit was near Seattle airport. Unfortunately, the prices were exorbitantly expensive there for some reason, and utilizing CSP credit would not beat using points. Maybe I’m getting old, but the mental gymnastics of keeping track of all these credits is getting tiresome. I figured if I’m going to transfer to Hyatt eventually (which is likely), I might as well get it over with. Plus, having fewer Chase cards may give me a better chance of approval for United or some other card in the future.
Leana says
@Elena It is indeed a time sucker! That’s why very few actually bother with it. Sure, deals come and go, but I don’t believe the overall ROI will ever be substantially diminished. To paraphrase Mark Twain, rumors of miles and points hobby’s demise have been greatly exaggerated.
Elena says
Interesting post! I love reading other people’s thoughts on what cards to keep / annual fees to pay.
Leana says
@Elena I’m glad it was helpful. It’s very easy to lose track of how much we pay in annual fees, which add up rather quickly. It can suck the “free” out of free travel. Though I never liked the term “free travel” to market this hobby. There is no such thing as free lunch. In the time I’ve spent to learn all the ins and outs of miles and points, I could have started a profitable side hustle of some sort. Fortunately, I’m crazy enough to enjoy it!
Elena says
I agree “free” is not the right term. I enjoy it as well, haha, as time sucking as it is. The joy though when finding award seats or getting a good hotel stay with points is worth it. 🙂
Erik says
So far I’ve been impressed by Capital One Venture X. It’s a keeper, perhaps even better than the Citi Prestige was back in the day before Citi gutted all the benefits. Hopefully they don’t kill the goose – they’ve gotten a ton of my spend this year due to 2x on everyday purchases.
Leana says
@Erik I totally agree. It almost seems too good to be true, if I’m being honest. That’s why I think some sort of gutting of benefits is inevitable. The ability to get free Priority Pass for authorized users is a very nice perk, which has saved my relatives a lot of money during their 4-hour layover in Istanbul. I hate giant annual fees, but this one is a keeper (for now). And yes, getting 2 points per dollar on all purchases certainly doesn’t hurt.
harv says
I kept my CSP because I got 3 referrals in the last 2 years and this more than pays for the annual fee.
Leana says
Harv, that’s actually a good point. I did get some referral points from a friend’s application last year. But that’s not something I can predict in advance when I decide on whether to renew a card. Plus, CSP is in our affiliate network, so there is that. But sure, referral points are a strong incentive.